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- From: dave.haynie@scala.com (Dave Haynie)
- Subject: Re: Apple troubles benefit Amiga?
- Sender: news@scala.scala.com (Usenet administrator)
- Message-ID: <1996Jan16.215356.9852@scala.scala.com>
- Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 21:53:56 GMT
- Reply-To: dave.haynie@scala.com (Dave Haynie)
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- Organization: Scala Computer Television, US Research Center
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- In <30F6B7FD.CCC@ix.netcom.com>, John Covington <cov3@ix.netcom.com> writes:
- >Wells Fargo Bank wrote:
-
- >> I understand that they are considering aiming at the higher-end Mac market
- >> and leaving the entry level machines to stream-line their company again.
- >> The low-end machines are less profitable, but this could be Amigas ace
- >> in the hole. I don't believe this problem with Apple will be long term,
- >> but if it lasts for 4 to 6 months, it could benefit the Amiga.
-
- Well, Apple's problems have been on-going for years, I don't think
- they're going way in the next 4-6 months. Dropping the low end might
- eventually be feasible if there's a thriving Mac clone market to
- support that low end. Right now, there isn't. And without the volume
- on the low end to drive up the installed base and home sales, software
- companies will be less and less willing to regard the Mac as a general
- purpose system. But Apple doesn't seem to want a niche machine, and
- their vast size makes that impossible anyway.
-
- >Then you don't really understand the problems at Apple, do you? What
- >Apple is saying is that it is conceding the battle for market share
- >because it can't compete.
-
- Apple was never in a position to compete with commodity systems, and
- they've waffled on the only solution -- becoming a commodity
- themselves. A common PowerPC hardware platform could have happened two
- or three years ago, if Apple had been willing to play the game as an
- equal partner with IBM and Motorola, rather than balk at
- standardizing. The parts that go into PClones are made in the 10's of
- millions. Apple's lucky to get 1-2 million quantity their custom
- parts, assuming they can use them in every model. That was one of
- Commodore's primary technical problems, and had C= not been killed by
- suicidal management, systems would have switched to the PC model
- (commodity parts) on the high end, the game machine model (system on a
- chip, as much as possible) on the low end, by 1994 at the latest.
-
- >The reason Apple introduced low cost competitive machines in the
- >*First place* was to bolster sales, market share, and profits
- >because the *higher-end* Apple business was *already* lagging badly.
-
- Sure. And that's because Apple lost their edge. At one time, they were
- the only GUI in town, the only DTP in town, and people would pay
- whatever that cost. That's the formula for a typical niche
- machine. Unfortunately, in the personal computer market, any strong
- enough niche eventually gets absorbed. Apple couldn't be "of the body"
- themselves and they refused to create an opposing multivendor force.
-
- Also, just look at the dynamics of the markets. Apple, like Commodore,
- is trying to develop world-class hardware and software for a very
- small market, relative to the PCs. Compaq may do well in hardware,
- they sell roughtly as many computers as Apple in a given year. But
- virtually none of that budget goes to software development. Microsoft
- certainly makes a living on software, but they do that by selling
- millions and millions of copies of lots of different programs. These
- days, Windows is practically a give-away, an enabler that lets MS sell
- you hundreds of dollars worth of other stuff. Apple can't be 'em, they
- can't join 'em, and they can't make something significantly different
- anymore (in fact, while they once led the personal computer world in
- software innovation, they're lagging badly on things like their answer
- to a modern OS, Copland).
-
- >I definitely believe the problems at Apple are positively
- >long-term--if, that is, the company can remain in business long
- >enough to reach the "long-term" definition--which I very much doubt.
-
- It's certainly hard to imagine Apple going under. But hell, it was
- hard to imagine Commodore going under, even though intellectually I
- saw the handwriting on the wall as early as 1991.
-
- >Having lived through the Commodore collapse, I am here to tell you
- >that the parallels between the demise of the two companies (Apple &
- >Commodore) are staggering in their simularities.
-
- They do seem to be following that C= path. And while I can't imagine
- they beat potential success down with a stick everytime it rears its
- pretty head, like C= management did (Sun deal nixed, Epson deal nixed,
- don't get me started!), Apple hasn't made the licensing and mutual
- benefit agreements that could have made bigtime differences in the big
- picture, and thus the long term. Hell, they could have OWNED the
- desktop software OS, if MacOS for Windows had shown up in a fancy
- shrinkwrap back in the latter 80s. They could be building MacOS
- installed base now, with lots of clone companies sick of years of
- Intel domination, had they made MacOS licensing a simple thing any
- garage shop could get into. When they were strong, everything had to
- be proprietary, and that hurt them.
-
- Nowadays, they're real close to the point where they'd have trouble
- building a full fledged clone market if they GAVE MacOS away. Which
- really isn't a bad idea -- if they gave away MacOS System 7 for CHRP
- machines, once System 8 was available, they might just get some MacOS
- converts. I tend to think most folks looking at CHRP machines (as
- distinct from "Macs") as people trying to get into something more
- sophisticated, which means a departure from MacOS, Windows, and any
- other glorified relics of 70s microcomputing. Or maybe that's just
- me.
-
- >Of course, Mac Lovers don't understand this since they are thinking
- >the very same things we did in '92--namely, that'll never happen to
- >"our" company. It did, and it will.
-
- Everyone thinks they're invincible. But remember, IBM once ruled the
- computer world, so much so that anti-trust suits were
- filed. Televisions used to be exclusively made in the USA. There used
- to be maybe 10 fairly well established personal/home computing OSs,
- and 100s of media companies. Things do change, Evolution is real --
- just ask T-Rex. Or Mehdi Ali. What doesn't adapt to a changing
- environment will die out, every time.
-
- Dave Haynie | ex-Commodore Engineering | for DiskSalv 3 &
- Sr. Systems Engineer | Hardwired Media Company | "The Deathbed Vigil"
- Scala Inc., US R&D | Ki No Kawa Aikido | info@iam.com
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